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Elaine (Speculation through Cold Days)

Alright, We haven't seen much, or any of Elaine since White Night. From second hand sources, we know that she's still helping run the Paranet in California, and has been helping resist the Formor on the West Coast. However, with some of the revelations in Cold Days, I think we have some new clues to Elaine's future.

  1. Several beings refer to Harry as Starborn in CD. It has been heavily implied that the circumstances around Harry's birth give him power over Outsiders.

  2. It has been said, although I don't have a WOJ, that Elaine is a starborn as well.

  3. Dumorne was involved with the Outsiders.

  4. Outsiders have been trying to kill/recruit Harry. I think it's safe to say that Elaine will be attacked by Outsiders/the Adversary very soon. We still don't know all of the ramifications of being starborn, nor do we know the details of what Durmorne was up to with the Outsiders.
    TL;DR: Darth Elaine is coming

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level 1

I don't know that Elaine will go all dark side. She's had too many close calls with being controlled. So unless she reshapes the world in her image I can't see it happening. Except maybe if she picks up Lash's coin.... then all bets are off.

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Original Poster2 points · 6 years ago

I may not have made this clear enough, and I apologize for that. I'm speculating the Adversary will take control of Elaine like it did Maeve/Cat Sith, probably more on the Cat Sith side since Elaine is pretty set against doing anything harmful. She becomes an automaton for the Adversary, essentially. As for the coin, Elaine (as far as we know) has never had any contact with Denarians. I really don't see that happening.

level 3

I see what you're saying now. But as far as the nickelheads go you're right.... no contact that we're aware of.... she also didn't have any contact with the White Court that we were aware of, right up until one almost made her kill herself. Butcher is sneaky, you can't always see it coming.

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Original Poster3 points · 6 years ago

Your example is flawed. Elaine was hired as a third party by the Ordo Lebes to look into the vanishings of their members. If Elaine hadn't been the one hired, she would not have come into contact wit them, nor would Skavis have tried to kill her had she not been investigating. While it is possible Elaine has had contact with Denarians through a case, it is unlikely, and even more unlikely that she has had direct, independent contact with them.

level 5

But the thing you're not acknowledging is that as the reader we really have no idea what the characters have had happening in their "lives." Just because we aren't privy to the happenings doesn't mean that JB couldn't throw a little back story in to make it seem more likely. I mean it is his series, he can do whatever he likes. I was just pointing out another possibility, not the only possibility.

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1 point · 6 years ago

Didn't Harry mention in a flashback in 'Fool Moon' that Elaine had a silver pentacle, as well? Could it eventually be revealed that she is his sister and it gets really squicky? Or do we let that go since it was in the dark ages of books 1-3?

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2 points · 6 years ago

Oh God, it'd be Star Wars but even worse cos they had sex.

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2 points · 6 years ago

Maybe he could ask Thomas for counselling about fucked up family sex considering incest can be a power ritual in the the Raith house.

level 2

I think Elaine has a copper pentacle she made to mirror Harry's when they were younger.

level 1

Also You are referring to her being Starborn...which probably makes her immune are very resistant to nemesis. Hence the reason Dresden had He who walks before in his head, and then he kicked the asshole out. I am assuming that Elaine can do it as well.

level 2

She may have the resistance to it same as Dresden does, but Dresden was SOL before Lash told him about it. I can see Nemesis having gotten to her back when she was working for Aurora.


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